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lsgv's avatar

I repeat it here: last time Germany armed it didn’t go well, last time I remember foreign armies marching down the Champs Elysées, they weren’t Russian. Arming Germany is a mistake, old habits die hard, Russia should indeed be wary, but anyone who believes they’re the threat, is just nuts.

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ChatterX's avatar

"Israel is doing our dirty work"

-Friedrich Merz, German Chancellor and ex BlackRock executive

youtu.be/SuNHt1-uWjE?t=317

Look up who Merz's grandfather was..

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BTW The Germany’s first Genocide was NOT the so-called "Holocaust", before that they had colonial Genocide in Namibia:

youtube.com/watch?v=DUyUm1yEYVM

Which makes Germany the only country in the world to commit 2 Genocides in the 20th century, and now support a 3rd in Palestine.

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Konstantin's avatar

Just a small note to your comment: not only Holocaust, they did wage a war of extermination and genocide in USSR. Recently, the Leningrad siege has been officially acknowledged as such in Russia, and there are more things to come related to the “Hungerplan” that the Nazis were utilizing on the territory of Soviet Union. So it’s already at 3 genocides, now counting Palestine as 4. Track record of Germany is super suspect… As some Russian author (author, I think) noted: “Talking with German after a cup of beer was doable, but talking with German who read a newspaper was impossible. No way to change his mind”. Quite a fitting description from my own experience w/ Germans.

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Konstantin's avatar

Didn’t really like your approach here, Brian, sorry. Vis-a-vis “Russian threat”.

Russia attacking NATO isn’t suicidal: it’s just nonsense with no real goals or aims strategically at the moment. You do believe the completely barebones Euro armies can stand anything like what the modern Russian Armed Forces pack? It’s a joke to think they can handle any direct engagement. And we’re leaving out of the picture the total Russian supremacy in tactical nuclear arsenal (not only warheads, but means of delivery). Russia will turn this minor appendix of larger Eurasia into a glass parking lot in a matter of hours.

But at the moment, what’s the point in any engagement w/ Euros? They don’t pose a threat (right now), and “taking over Europe” was never on the agenda, because it’s pointless: what’s to gain by doing this?? There are no resources in Europe. Technologies? You can buy them and develop your own. Population? It’s a nuisance, they won’t be loyal, for the most part.

Now, let’s think about the situation that the EuroReich of old faced: lack of resource base. Isn’t the EU’s problem right now exactly the same? It seems, that it is. There are no available cheep resources outside of Russia. Americans sell at a higher prices. Chinese do. There isn’t enough cheap oil, nor gas around, after the pipeline terrorist attack/disaster, caused by Joe Biden. Other resources? Same problem. And they’re not willing to buy them any longer themselves (Ursula is adamant in her pursuit of this endeavor) in a free market way, as well as Russia soon won’t be so eager to sell them either. What’s left then? Well, attacking Russia.

So this re-armament is not really about “defensive posture”, it’s an apparent, and obvious, preparation for a war where the country 404 failed. The one to defeat Russia. Aggressive posture it is, in reality. While propagandized as some sort of “defensive” stance to deter Russians (who aren’t planning on doing anything aggressive towards Europe in general).

And this brings me to some very salient point, for everyone, including you, to ponder: we already know Putin isn’t joking when saying “strike first when the fight is inevitable”. When the Euros finally assemble their queer rainbow Euro-Wehrmacht, does anyone think he’ll just wait until united German-French armored division rolls into, let’s say, Kaliningrad? No, obviously the Russian response will be pre-emptive. Once such a threat is verified and concluded to be imminent, all hell will break loose.

In the end, the point really is that this whole paranoia and hysteria is destined to become a self-fulfilling prophecy… And people like Mertz, Ursula, Macron know, at least, that this isn’t about going on the defensive… how far they understand that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy is questionable, but they could be very well aware of that fact, too.

That’s the scariest thing here. And one that everyone should acknowledge, if he wants to prevent this scenario from happening.

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Brian McDonald's avatar

I am referring to Article 5 in that sentence.

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Robert K Wright's avatar

I asked ChatGPT if Russia posed a threat to EU countries and it said yes, especially in the mid and long-term. Slowly building up defence forces to counter such a threat seems wise to me, especially with the potential loss of the American security umbrella.

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钟建英's avatar

I think in Britain Jeremy Corbyn would oppose the rearmament?

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Konstantin's avatar

He would, but he’s been sidelined completely by the establishment.

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